Curse

pablo24 · Jan 12, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I would like to settle a question that some have raised. Was a hack involved in this exploit? Yes. If it "wasn't an exploit," or "was a simple ferrying maneuver," then perhaps one of you innocent travelers can explain that to me via PM? For the way I understand it, and I've just spent time with the content programming team to confirm, you get to the outpost by hacking the client, or by using the exploit gained through the client hack. I just watched a few programmers use every trick in the book, including Guild Halls and other things, to try to end up at that hidden outpost (as a few players have claimed they did.) And the programmers could not make it happen.

You didn't get to the outpost from a crash, a server burp, a roll-back, a glitch with the Guild Hall, or a sacrifice to Grenth. So my point is, some of the banned players may not have done the actual hacking, but they certainly used the exploit that resulted from the hack, and they certainly were able to profit from it.

As someone on the team said, "They get a ferry -- usually having being told such access is 'top secret' and after being sworn to secrecy. They end up in a outpost that doesn't show on their map, that they've never seen before (even though they completed the mission), and that contains no NPCs. At some point, they have to realize that something isn't right, particularly since they've completed the mission and they know that getting the end reward involves doing a lot more than simply taking out Mallyx."

I am not going to speak in absolutes. But I am not going to see you lied to, either. If someone can disprove this, please let me know, because all of us believe this to be 100% true: Everything logical, and everything we've been able to establish points out that those who used the exploit benefited, directly or indirectly, from a game hack. And both exploits and hacks are against the User Agreement. Isn't it really that simple?

I sent you a PM with plausible theory about how it could have happened without the need for a third party program.

bhavv · Jan 12, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I am not going to speak in absolutes. But I am not going to see you lied to, either. If someone can disprove this, please let me know

From what I've read some people have been banned for being ferried to this secret outpost. They themselves didnt hack the client, they abused an in game expliot, most likely without knowing about it. Then after realising they could kill mallyx again and again, they got a little hooked, kept doing it then /ban.

I see your reasons for banning the client hackers, but not your reasons for banning people making use of it as an 'In game exploit', and most likely without realising themselves what it was at first.

Did you ban people that exploited HM urgoz warren to farm the vampires for loads of golds? Or the people that exploited guild hall travel from pre searing? No you didnt, in the same way, it is extremely unjust to ban someone that didnt touch their client or do any hacking themselves, but were ferried to the exploit in game by someone else that had.

Hope that makes sense since you seem to have a serious lack of understandstanding players concerns these days.

capblye · Jan 12, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Sooooooooooooo many self righteous people in GW!
It truly saddens me to see so many holier than thou's in this community, as if they are better than the next person.
Justice can serve no man fairly without Humility.
Whether you think you would have used the exploit or not, do you really feel the need to procalim yourself judge and jury without knowing all the facts?
Can you ever know all the facts? I think not.
"But Gaile says blah blah blah"
Ya, ok, and so it's gospel?

This is why PUG's are dying ... because there are too many damn self righteous people in this community who care nothing for anyone or anything but themselves and what people think of them.
Sad ...

As i said in another post, i dont know any of the Banned people, and im not one of em ... but i still think the Perma Ban is unfair.
You want to Ban em for a month to make a point? fine.
You want to retract their items to make a point? fine.
But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash.
Playing Guild Wars is a GIFT to Anet. They paid someones salary.
Let's not forget that.

Harrier's haste · Jan 12, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

Is it really necessary for you to post the exact same damn thing twice?

I will put it there however many times the admin. will allow to make my point clear. Simple as that.

And on a side note, I see no way of you feeling insulted by this by any means. It is true, and if truth hurts you, I am sorry(the third time XP) you have my deepest apology for written down the truth(more or less, I'm not 100% perfect either

) which hurts you O so dearly.

Thank you.

SolidShadow · Jan 12, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Thanks gaile,

So far most people seeing its just a ferrying thing and a fun thing to do that night, just another day in guildwars. Only everything got blewn up.

Imagine comming online joining a cool farm, with no idea it was created using an exploit etc. Just what hit most guys.

I know old quests who got removed cause there easy to farm wich still work making lots of cash, if they blaim me tomorrow for still farming them i would freak out aswell, thats what a previous guy explains wich claims has been farming it for months.

maraxusofk · Jan 12, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

hmm gaile makes a good distinction. the other glitches of ferryihng was taking to an existing place in game, not a forbidden place.

Mickey · Jan 12, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by capblye

Sooooooooooooo many self righteous people in GW!
It truly saddens me to see so many holier than thou's in this community, as if they are better than the next person.
Justice can serve no man fairly without Humility.
Whether you think you would have used the exploit or not, do you really feel the need to procalim yourself judge and jury without knowing all the facts?
Can you ever know all the facts? I think not.
"But Gaile says blah blah blah"
Ya, ok, and so it's gospel?

This is why PUG's are dying ... because there are too many damn self righteous people in this community who care nothing for anyone or anything but themselves and what people think of them.
Sad ...

As i said in another post, i dont know any of the Banned people, and im not one of em ... but i still think the Perma Ban is unfair.
You want to Ban em for a month to make a point? fine.
You want to retract their items to make a point? fine.
But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash.
Playing Guild Wars is a GIFT to Anet. They paid someones salary.
Let's not forget that.

I wish the Support team and Gaile could understand this.

Perma ban for just this does not equal the 250$ I've spent on this.

Harrier's haste · Jan 12, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipedream

TO ANET:

Q: So, what is the one thing you could have done?

A: Make it so if you want to leave your guild hall and you are in a party, you are separated from that party. WOW!!! HOW SIMPLE WAS THAT YOU RETARDS???

Yeah but won't that kill other aspects of the game? E.g. you can't just go to a certain place with your buddies, you gotta go, get separated and then find them again Or the things you do with your guild......Dunno alot people was pretty mad about this ban but your the first who have actually shown it

Nice

maraxusofk · Jan 12, 2008, 02:13 AM // 02:13

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=351

for the last time, the ppl banned didnt just visit the outpost for like 4x. they were banned for more times than that. plz read up on facts first.

Jake_Steel · Jan 12, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by pipedream

TO ANET:

I have not been effected by this but I have a friend who has. This person has dedicated 7000+ hours to his account and you just feel you have the right to ban him for being in a party that took him to this glitch. I can't believe you are banning people because your programmers are incompetent. I personally don't care if thousands of people found the glitch and used it. FIX THE DAMN GLITCH!!! You could have temporally fixed it by changing ONE THING until your idiot programmers figured out how to stop it.

Q: So, what is the one thing you could have done?

A: Make it so if you want to leave your guild hall and you are in a party, you are separated from that party. WOW!!! HOW SIMPLE WAS THAT YOU RETARDS???

I am glad I started playing Call of Duty 4. As I said I wasn't even effected by this but your decision to ban for this crap made me not want to have any part in GW or ANET.

Everyone should protest and I hope they do. I wish the community would try to organize a GW black out. If you don't reverse these banned you really are a bunch of @ssholes.

Well, off to play COD4.

Signed,
An enraged customer (possibly former) with 17 player slots, 500k+ and millions in equipment.

"I'm mad you punished my friend and I am taking my crayons and going home, Who's with me?", is neither a productive, successful nor a very mature stance.

P.S. GW already has your money, leaving now just lessens the server load.

lacasner · Jan 12, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

I had nothing to do with this and didn't hear about it until today..but I just have to ask the people flaming. If you had the chance to get a quick 100k+ from a source in the game, don't bs me like you wouldn't do it.

the aura in this thread is really saying how people who didn't know about the glitch are pissed that they weren't in on the pot!

And yes, perma-ban is too much, i do think that clearence of banks is sufficient punishment or maybe 1-2 month ban. But these people paid money for the CD and game and the punishment just doesn't fit the crime.

erikjo · Jan 12, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by capblye

Sooooooooooooo many self righteous people in GW!
It truly saddens me to see so many holier than thou's in this community, as if they are better than the next person.
Justice can serve no man fairly without Humility.
Whether you think you would have used the exploit or not, do you really feel the need to procalim yourself judge and jury without knowing all the facts?
Can you ever know all the facts? I think not.
"But Gaile says blah blah blah"
Ya, ok, and so it's gospel?

This is why PUG's are dying ... because there are too many damn self righteous people in this community who care nothing for anyone or anything but themselves and what people think of them.
Sad ...

As i said in another post, i dont know any of the Banned people, and im not one of em ... but i still think the Perma Ban is unfair.
You want to Ban em for a month to make a point? fine.
You want to retract their items to make a point? fine.
But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash.
Playing Guild Wars is a GIFT to Anet. They paid someones salary.
Let's not forget that.

Do you think that what you are doing is any different than what you are whining about? You don't know all the facts, i think the developers know alot more about their game than you do.

You knew when you bought the game that there was a EULA. If you choose to ignore it you suffer the consequences. What was done in the past is irrelavant, maybe they are getting sick of this crap and getting more strict.

You paid for the product and with it you knew the conditions. They all deserve a ban, maybe this is the start of banning gold sellers and botters too.

Harrier's haste · Jan 12, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

From the tone he wrote, he probably WILL quit lol. Yay....one less person taking up server space.

maraxusofk · Jan 12, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

a good alternativwe to a perma ban would be to reset all of someone's titles, fame, and delete all their chars. at least they keep their account.

The Great Ithqua · Jan 12, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

i got over it.. whether i get my account back i leave it to Anet, if i do not get it back i hope the 117 of us that got sacrificed or ban for this issue do not get wasted, please so make sure this dun happen again for the sake of other players

Rift · Jan 12, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Money paid for CD-keys is nothing compared to the devaluation of such hacks/exploits to an online game like GuildWars.

Swift Thief · Jan 12, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

ArenaNet did the right thing.

Harrier's haste · Jan 12, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by maraxusofk

a good alternativwe to a perma ban would be to reset all of someone's titles, fame, and delete all their chars. at least they keep their account.

That would be like the same as a permanent ban....except you don't have to spend $200 to get all of the GW packages again, which i seriously doubt anyone got banned will do

maraxusofk · Jan 12, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harrier's haste

That would be like the same as a permanent ban....except you don't have to spend $200 to get all of the GW packages again, which i seriously doubt anyone got banned will do

exactly. but at least they cant complain about the money issue

Messy · Jan 12, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

the way I see it....